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in michigan we've had a statute for some time. we had some controversy and we're under the old statute now. this goes back to many years where we had emergency manager status. they can come in, work with the city and resolve the issues in a more efficient fashion than the traditional way. get to an emergency like this, the traditional way wasn't working. >> aren't you at that point? i mean the unemployment rate, of course, in october of '09 is 25.5. i imagine a lot of people were discouraged and left and that's the decline to 18.9 but that's more than twice the national average. around you at an emergency in detroit? >> detroit has been in crisis for a long time. i think we should always try to work with the locally elected leaders first. my goal is not to run any particular city, it's to be a supportive partner. we've worked hard to strive to do that. we achieved results but now we aren't seeing the progress and we need to push ahead and get it resolved and better services to detroiters. >> i look at it from afar, because i don't
in michigan we've had a statute for some time. we had some controversy and we're under the old statute now. this goes back to many years where we had emergency manager status. they can come in, work with the city and resolve the issues in a more efficient fashion than the traditional way. get to an emergency like this, the traditional way wasn't working. >> aren't you at that point? i mean the unemployment rate, of course, in october of '09 is 25.5. i imagine a lot of people were...
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issue for michigan workers. we have hard-working people in michigan. this is about giving workers choice. david: what does all this mean for the workers, for businesses and for the unions? joining us is michigan state senator patrick kulbec. thanks for coming in. i appreciate it. let's say what right to work laws are not. they not about outlawing unions. a lot of union workers have said, these right to work laws would outlaw, they're only about not forcing people to pay the unions if people don't want to, right? >> that's exactly it. collect tiff bargaining still stays in place. all we're talking about is giving workers a choice whether or not they want to financially compensate a union via union deals. david: why do you think the bills are necessary? >> for me we looked at the state of michigan and only state in the nation that lost population in the last census. i went off and did analysis and charted looking where everybody is going? when you look at the census data by almost three to one margin they're going
issue for michigan workers. we have hard-working people in michigan. this is about giving workers choice. david: what does all this mean for the workers, for businesses and for the unions? joining us is michigan state senator patrick kulbec. thanks for coming in. i appreciate it. let's say what right to work laws are not. they not about outlawing unions. a lot of union workers have said, these right to work laws would outlaw, they're only about not forcing people to pay the unions if people...
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unions in michigan, they done a lot of great things. we are the center of the labor movement going back the last century. in the 20's and 30's and 40's they helped with working conditions, and wages and people chose to join a union. >>neil: what does this legislation do? it doesn't compel you not to be if a union but gives you the choice. >>guest: people used to choose to join a union and no i don't believe it is appropriate to say just to keep your job you have to pay dues and be a member. so, this creates an environment where people can say, they are choosing to join a union because the unions put a value proposition to make it worthwhile and if they are not providing value someone should be forced to choose so i view this as pro worker legislation. >>neil: governor, this woman's remarks went viral soon after she said them, a council woman in detroit talking about the post obama election envice president, i am sure you are familiar, but if you are not, please respond to this. >> after the election of jimmy carter, we had young and he
unions in michigan, they done a lot of great things. we are the center of the labor movement going back the last century. in the 20's and 30's and 40's they helped with working conditions, and wages and people chose to join a union. >>neil: what does this legislation do? it doesn't compel you not to be if a union but gives you the choice. >>guest: people used to choose to join a union and no i don't believe it is appropriate to say just to keep your job you have to pay dues and be a...
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stuart: why is michigan doing this? i am told it is because neighboring indiana became right to work and attracted a whole bunch of jobs and michigan is jealous so they want to fall in line. is that the reasoning? >> right to work has been kicked around in michigan for decades. when indiana went right to work michigan took a look at that and said right to work states have lower unemployment, bigger population growth, bigger wage growth and when you factor in cost of living they have higher wages. we have to do something to compete because our neighbor next door is doing right to work and they attract business and we want those businesses to stay here so indiana going right to work probably played a big part of lawmakers's decision to give workers freedom to choose. stuart: are we dead certain that the governor will sign it in michigan? >> the governor said he would sign it at the beginning of his administration. said it wasn't on his agenda. last week he said was. yesterday at a press conference the senate majority lead
stuart: why is michigan doing this? i am told it is because neighboring indiana became right to work and attracted a whole bunch of jobs and michigan is jealous so they want to fall in line. is that the reasoning? >> right to work has been kicked around in michigan for decades. when indiana went right to work michigan took a look at that and said right to work states have lower unemployment, bigger population growth, bigger wage growth and when you factor in cost of living they have...
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republicans in michigan, all of michigan control the house, the senate, the governor's office, the attorney general, the secretary of state, total control on the state level. less than two hours ago democratic state representative vicki barnett summed the outrage up on the house floor. >> what bothers me most today is that this bill was not discussed ahead of time. it was discharged on the floor then substituted on the floor. members of the unions came up to protest, and they were locked out of this building. this is their house, mr. mr. speaker. it should be allowed in the door. >> locked out. stuff pushed through on procedurally maneuvers. earlier, governor snyder made his case. >> this is an issue that i said was not on my agenda for some time. and why did i say that? only about 17 1/2% of our workers in this state belong to a union. most people do not. so it wasn't a relevant issue for most michiganers. we are losing an advantage. indiana has become a right to work state. i have looked at their pipeline. they have increased the number of businesses to come to indiana and grow in indiana
republicans in michigan, all of michigan control the house, the senate, the governor's office, the attorney general, the secretary of state, total control on the state level. less than two hours ago democratic state representative vicki barnett summed the outrage up on the house floor. >> what bothers me most today is that this bill was not discussed ahead of time. it was discharged on the floor then substituted on the floor. members of the unions came up to protest, and they were locked...
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the michigan senate just followed the statehouse and has now passed a bill to make michigan a right-to-work state. the vote was 22-10-16, if i have that right. just minutes ago on this program, governor reiick snyder said he would sign the bill. now that it's passed, looks like it's going to happen. imagine that. the union workers' paradise going right to work. >>> residents of the los angeles area seniors complex are up in arms over the owner's order to take down the christmas tree because they're religious symbols. the company's owned the complex for four years and won't comment about the order. people who live there a while say this has never happened before. we say, drop the ban and light up that tree and the minoras. let there be no secular tyranny. by the way, they are christmas trees. don't forget that. >>> for a moment, forget about the fiscal cliff. the u.s. is already in a recession and has been since july, according to my next guest. here now with details on this recession call is lakshman achuthan, the distinguished co-founder and chief operating officer of the economic cycle re
the michigan senate just followed the statehouse and has now passed a bill to make michigan a right-to-work state. the vote was 22-10-16, if i have that right. just minutes ago on this program, governor reiick snyder said he would sign the bill. now that it's passed, looks like it's going to happen. imagine that. the union workers' paradise going right to work. >>> residents of the los angeles area seniors complex are up in arms over the owner's order to take down the christmas tree...
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michigan is on the rebound and right to work is going to be very divisive. this will add to the divisiveness in the state. that is something that the governor said we can't do this now, it's going to be too divisive and all of a sudden it's getting pushed through. >> the unions played a role in the auto restructure, a positive role. they made many concessions. it's just a ridiculously political thing to do. that's all it is. >> one of the ways in which the republicans are fully exploiting 2010. democrats made a serious calculation not seriously organizing in '10, a lot of gerrymandering and republicans come in and he want to take these rust belt states way from democrats and one thing is to defend the only tenty i that has enough money to compete with republican money that is unions. >> and organization too. >> and organization. foot soldiers. those are where the white working-class voters that still vote for democrats exist and unions are a big part of that. >> an ongoing debate, one that ben is not satisfied with. >> somebody has to take the other side of
michigan is on the rebound and right to work is going to be very divisive. this will add to the divisiveness in the state. that is something that the governor said we can't do this now, it's going to be too divisive and all of a sudden it's getting pushed through. >> the unions played a role in the auto restructure, a positive role. they made many concessions. it's just a ridiculously political thing to do. that's all it is. >> one of the ways in which the republicans are fully...
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just to make michigan competitive. it would be the 24th right to work state. >>> the man charged with shooting and killing trayvon martin is suing nbc. george zimmerman accusing the network of editing his 911 call to make him sound racist. three nbc employees have been fired for their role in producing the story. there have been claims because of the actions the public wrongly believes he used a racial slur while describing martin to the police dispatcher. >>> a woman rescued after had her ex-husband tried to seal her inside the attic. hear what he was doing when police burst in. >>> and is this for real? could the nfl be close to eliminating kickoffs? a former player joins us live to talk about it next. fpz time to deploy the boring-potato chip decoy bag. then no one will want to steal the deliciousness. [ male announcer ] with a variety of tastes and textures, only chex mix is a bag of interesting. [ nyquil bottle ] just reading your label. wait...you relieve nasal congestion? sure don't you? [ nyquil bottle ] dude!
just to make michigan competitive. it would be the 24th right to work state. >>> the man charged with shooting and killing trayvon martin is suing nbc. george zimmerman accusing the network of editing his 911 call to make him sound racist. three nbc employees have been fired for their role in producing the story. there have been claims because of the actions the public wrongly believes he used a racial slur while describing martin to the police dispatcher. >>> a woman rescued...
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they want them here in michigan. i can't overstate how significant this is especially in a state like michigan for all the workers here that are unioni unionized. >> poppy harlow in michigan, thank you. >>> we have a look at some of the other stories making news. >> the u.s. navy is moving warships into position to monitor a possible launch. they are guided missile destroyers. the navy won't reveal their act locations. images reveal north carolina appears to be working towards a launch later this month. >>> the attorney for george zimmerman who is charged with killing trayvon martin refuses to say he won't go that route to avoid a murder trial. >> no. i wouldn't plea somebody who is innocent to anything. so i think the answer is easily no. >> zimmerman is suing nbc for defamation. the network edited his 911 call to make him sound racist. nbc says there was no intent to portray him unfairly. three employees were fired over that. >>> john mcafee faces extradition again. he was rushed to the hospital in guatemala city y
they want them here in michigan. i can't overstate how significant this is especially in a state like michigan for all the workers here that are unioni unionized. >> poppy harlow in michigan, thank you. >>> we have a look at some of the other stories making news. >> the u.s. navy is moving warships into position to monitor a possible launch. they are guided missile destroyers. the navy won't reveal their act locations. images reveal north carolina appears to be working...
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we'll listen to governor rick snyder of michigan. >> in the unions are strong in michigan and they did a lot of good in terms of work issues . people wanted to join the union. but today we give the workers a choice and give them an opportunity to say do we want to belong to the union. i don't see it antiunion. workers should want to join and be part. it is a worker choice . the second thing it is economic development. we watched what went on in indiana. they have seen a significant increase talking about thousands of jobs to their state. >> steve: that's what it is it about. think about the jobs. yesterday on the program, 24 hours ago. stewart varney talked about how the city of detroit looking to washington d.c. for a bailout. the city of dedroit only have thee million in the bank. they need a bailout or hand out toward the federal government because they overwhelmingly in wayne county voted for the president of the united states. sounds like they are heading for bankruptcy. >> brian: do you know what your elected officials are doing. passing a bill to ban the word lunatic. >> gretche
we'll listen to governor rick snyder of michigan. >> in the unions are strong in michigan and they did a lot of good in terms of work issues . people wanted to join the union. but today we give the workers a choice and give them an opportunity to say do we want to belong to the union. i don't see it antiunion. workers should want to join and be part. it is a worker choice . the second thing it is economic development. we watched what went on in indiana. they have seen a significant...
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so we get a chunk anyway if we lose the cities. >> like michigan, pennsylvania, new york -- at least where you have a large big city and minorities, they like to cut them off. >> the thing is, there are no rules in the constitution about picking electors to the electoral college. every state gets to -- >> why do they -- >> it became the consensus position over time. that winner takes all. if you wanted to do the system, could you make the argument that you should drop off electoral votes by population in every state. that would be fair if you did that in every state, in which case it would reflect the popular vote. but that's not what they are doing here and they tried to do this before this election and even a more weighted way. if you win the congressional district, you get the electoral from that district and under that situation, obama winning pennsylvania would have gotten seven out of the 20 electoral votes. >> ron, fb you're in a minority community, it seems that you want it the way it is now because leverage in from michigan to detroit, for example. or chicago. if it was just
so we get a chunk anyway if we lose the cities. >> like michigan, pennsylvania, new york -- at least where you have a large big city and minorities, they like to cut them off. >> the thing is, there are no rules in the constitution about picking electors to the electoral college. every state gets to -- >> why do they -- >> it became the consensus position over time. that winner takes all. if you wanted to do the system, could you make the argument that you should drop...
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they say this would be bad important the entire michigan economy for all of the workers here. that's a position of labor in this state which, don, cane overemphasize is that the heart of organized labor in america, it is the birth place of the united autoworkers, uaw. here is what's at stake. if this becomes a right-to-work state, it would make it illegal for unions and employers to mandated that employees be part of the union or pay any am of money to that union. that would then become illegal. the thinking is that is less money in the union, less power at the bargaining table. what happened late yesterday, three bills passed. would in the senate and one in the house. all pretty much saying the same thing. it would turn this into a right-to-work state. it would affect public sector workers like teachers and public schools and it would affect private sector workers like autoworkers on the line and gm-chrysler or ford. the governor here, republican rick snihinsider is saying thiss what's best important the workers, the labor workers do not agree. >> to get freedom of choice to
they say this would be bad important the entire michigan economy for all of the workers here. that's a position of labor in this state which, don, cane overemphasize is that the heart of organized labor in america, it is the birth place of the united autoworkers, uaw. here is what's at stake. if this becomes a right-to-work state, it would make it illegal for unions and employers to mandated that employees be part of the union or pay any am of money to that union. that would then become...
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being from michigan, we are going through a real challenge here from our hitler governor that you have seen in the news. he wants to take us to a right to work state. we all know what happens. wages go down, no benefits. you work and work and work to make the owner rich and the worker sufferers. -- i do think we need to go over the fiscal cliff. host: here is the story from the "new york times" today. we are talking about the fiscal cliff negotiations and whether compromise or sticking to principles should be what members of congress and the president should do here. a couple of weets this morning. when leaders say -- when people say leaders should stick to their principles, they mean leaders should stick to my principles. a lot of columns this morning talking about this issue, the ongoing fiscal cliff negotiations. here is "the washington post." we are taking your thoughts on the issue. but gutted the independent line. welcome to the "washington journal." caller: i agree also with a caller on the democrat line. i agree with what he was referring to -- c-span changing a with bias. the
being from michigan, we are going through a real challenge here from our hitler governor that you have seen in the news. he wants to take us to a right to work state. we all know what happens. wages go down, no benefits. you work and work and work to make the owner rich and the worker sufferers. -- i do think we need to go over the fiscal cliff. host: here is the story from the "new york times" today. we are talking about the fiscal cliff negotiations and whether compromise or...
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they had rallied back after the university of michigan data. they were back at the morning's highs. people said, wait a minute. if it's a deal, wouldn't both of them be making a statement. it's something that you keep in the back of your mind. if you ever hear they're going to make a joint statement, the mashlt will probably take off, sensing that that's the deal. this morning they pulled back in anticipation of his speaking because he was speaking along and then they pulled back on his statement which seems edseemed progress so far. >> it might be a free pass. so many different variables. sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >> the fed is important.
they had rallied back after the university of michigan data. they were back at the morning's highs. people said, wait a minute. if it's a deal, wouldn't both of them be making a statement. it's something that you keep in the back of your mind. if you ever hear they're going to make a joint statement, the mashlt will probably take off, sensing that that's the deal. this morning they pulled back in anticipation of his speaking because he was speaking along and then they pulled back on his...